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January 21, 2020

Rudy Giuliani is "heartbroken" over recent comments made by his former associate Lev Parnas, who says he worked closely with Giuliani in Ukraine as part of an attempt to find damaging information about former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

Speaking to Fox News host Laura Ingraham on Monday night, Giuliani, President Trump's personal lawyer, said he was once "close to" Parnas, but was "misled by him." In October, Parnas and his business partner Igor Fruman were arrested and charged with campaign finance violations. Last week, Parnas made several public accusations against Giuliani, President Trump, and Attorney General William Barr, implicating all of them in the Ukraine scheme that is central to Trump's impeachment.

While Fruman did not cooperate with House impeachment investigators, Parnas did, turning over documents and other materials. Parnas said while he was in Ukraine trying to find dirt on the Bidens, he "wouldn't do anything without the consent of Rudy Giuliani and the president." Giuliani, a former U.S. attorney, refuted this, saying Parnas "in very large part did not tell the truth" and "lied stupidly."

Giuliani told Ingraham he would not discuss all of Parnas' accusations, but did deny ever talking about his Ukraine investigation with Barr and said Parnas' account of a meeting during a 2018 White House Hanukkah party was a lie. In November, CNN reported that Parnas told two people close to him that during the celebration, Trump let Parnas and Fruman know he wanted them to go on a "secret mission" to Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. Giuliani said this was "absolutely untrue," as they were never pulled into a private meeting.

Parnas posted a photo taken at the party on social media, showing him posing with Trump, Giuliani, Fruman, and Vice President Mike Pence. Trump has repeatedly denied knowing Parnas; Parnas has promised to keep releasing pictures of the two of them together. Catherine Garcia

October 22, 2019

President Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) have two different takes on a conversation they may have had about Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

During his chat with Zelensky, Trump pushed him to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, neither of whom has been accused of wrongdoing. In late September, McConnell released a statement saying he "read the summary of the call" and it is "laughable to think this is anywhere close to an impeachable offense."

On Oct. 3, Trump told reporters that McConnell "put out a statement that said that was the most innocent phone call he's read. And I spoke to him about it, too. He read my phone call with the president of Ukraine. Mitch McConnell, he said, 'That was the most innocent phone call that I've read.' I mean, give me a break."

McConnell remembers things a little differently. When asked by CBS News on Tuesday about his conversation with Trump, McConnell said he has not spoken with Trump about the Ukraine phone call, the genesis of the House impeachment inquiry. When asked if Trump was lying, McConnell responded: "You'd have to ask him. I don't recall any conversations with the president about that phone call." Catherine Garcia

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