Trump called Pence a 'wimp,' 'the P-word' in Jan. 6 call before near-fatal Capitol riot, Jan. 6 panel says
Former Vice President Mike Pence was, in many ways, the protagonist of Thursday's third televised hearing of the House Jan. 6 committee: a man who resisted intense pressure from powerful allies and narrowly escaped violent death to do the right thing, saving the constitutional republic. The main villains were conservative lawyer John Eastman, who wrote multiple memos arguing that Pence had the right to unilaterally overturn the election result and urged him to do so, and former President Donald Trump.
Before Pence left his official residence to ceremonially oversee the counting of President Biden's electoral victory in Congress, Trump called him at 11:20 a.m., the panel recounted. Trump's daughter Ivanka Trump told the committee the conversation was "pretty heated" and Trump used a "different tone" than normal with Pence.
"I remember hearing the word 'wimp,'" Trump aide Nick Luna told committee investigators. "'Wimp' is the word I remember." Julie Radford, Ivanka Trump's chief of staff, testified that the president had used "the P word" — The New York Times previously reported that Trump had used two P words, telling Pence he could "either go down in history as a patriot" or "a pussy."
Subscribe to The Week
Escape your echo chamber. Get the facts behind the news, plus analysis from multiple perspectives.

Sign up for The Week's Free Newsletters
From our morning news briefing to a weekly Good News Newsletter, get the best of The Week delivered directly to your inbox.
From our morning news briefing to a weekly Good News Newsletter, get the best of The Week delivered directly to your inbox.
After their call, Trump added passive-aggressive references to Pence to his speech at the pre-riot "Stop the Steal" rally. By the time Pence arrived at the Capitol, an angry mob of Trump supporters was already gathering outside, the committee said, and Trump's subsequent tweets berating Pence riled up the crowd, leading to chants of "Hang Mike Pence!" When Trump learned about those chants, the committee said in an earlier hearing, he said "maybe our supporters have the right idea," and Pence "deserves it."
And it wasn't an ideal threat, Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-Calif.) said at Thursday's hearing. A confidential witness told the FBI some of the Proud Boys who breached the Capitol said if they had found Pence, they would have killed him. When Pence was being evacuated to a secure loading dock in the Capitol basement, Aguilar said, he and his entourage came within 40 feet of angry rioters.
The Jan. 6 committee also showed some newly released photos of Pence sheltering during the riot, including one of him watching Trump attack him on his phone, his daughter scowling nearby.
Pence did not attend Thursday's hearing. Instead, while his bravery was lauded in Washington, he was in Ohio at an energy roundtable. He did not take any questions.
Sign up for Today's Best Articles in your inbox
A free daily email with the biggest news stories of the day – and the best features from TheWeek.com
Peter has worked as a news and culture writer and editor at The Week since the site's launch in 2008. He covers politics, world affairs, religion and cultural currents. His journalism career began as a copy editor at a financial newswire and has included editorial positions at The New York Times Magazine, Facts on File, and Oregon State University.
-
Trump blames Ukraine for war after US-Russia talks
Speed Read The US and Russia have agreed to work together on ending the Ukraine war — but President Trump has flipped America's approach
By Peter Weber, The Week US Published
-
'Whether we like it or not, social media is the public square of the 21st century'
Instant Opinion Opinion, comment and editorials of the day
By Anya Jaremko-Greenwold, The Week US Published
-
Today's political cartoons - February 19, 2025
Cartoons Wednesday's cartoons - marking territory, living under a rock, and more
By The Week US Published
-
Trump blames Ukraine for war after US-Russia talks
Speed Read The US and Russia have agreed to work together on ending the Ukraine war — but President Trump has flipped America's approach
By Peter Weber, The Week US Published
-
Musk's DOGE seeks access to IRS, Social Security files
Speed Read If cleared, the Department of Government Efficiency would have access to tax returns, bank records and other highly personal information about most Americans
By Peter Weber, The Week US Published
-
Senate confirms RFK Jr. as health secretary
Speed Read The noted vaccine skeptic is now in charge of America's massive public health system
By Peter Weber, The Week US Published
-
Trump lays out plans for broad 'reciprocal' tariffs
Speed Read Tariffs imposed on countries that are deemed to be treating the US unfairly could ignite a global trade war and worsen American inflation
By Peter Weber, The Week US Published
-
Top US prosecutors resign rather than drop Adams case
speed read The interim US attorney for the Southern District and five senior Justice Department officials quit following an order to drop the charges against Mayor Eric Adams
By Rafi Schwartz, The Week US Published
-
Senate confirms Gabbard as intelligence chief
Speed Read The controversial former Democratic lawmaker, now Trump loyalist, was sworn in as director of national intelligence
By Rafi Schwartz, The Week US Published
-
Trump, Putin plan Ukraine peace talks without Kyiv
Speed Read President Donald Trump spoke by phone to Russian President Vladimir Putin, but Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was not included
By Peter Weber, The Week US Published
-
Elon Musk defends DOGE effort from Oval Office
Speed Read President Trump signed an executive order giving DOGE even more power to shape the federal workforce
By Peter Weber, The Week US Published