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Kris Kobach just claimed 'we may never know' if Clinton won the popular vote

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who serves as the vice chair of President Trump's Commission on Election Integrity, claimed Wednesday that "we may never know" if Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last November — despite all evidence indicating that she indisputably beat Trump by several million votes.

During Trump and Vice President Mike Pence's appearances at the commission earlier Wednesday, Pence claimed that the group "has no preconceived notions or preordained results." Kobach additionally rebutted MSNBC's Katy Tur when she asked, "That's why this commission exists, because the president believes he would have won the popular vote?"

Trump, though, alleged that there was "no choice" but to create the commission to investigate voter fraud, which will cost $500,000 this year and is led by Pence. Trump added that he was excited for "the full truth [to] be known and exposed." Experts have uncovered zero evidence of widespread voter fraud in the election and have noted that voter fraud is actually quite rare.

Watch Kobach's head-scratching interview below. Jeva Lange